Here at authonomy, we often like to pop onto the forums. It's a great way for us to quickly see what's working for you, what you'd like to see changed and see your veiws on every aspect of publishing (and writing, and life - and everything really). It's also a good place for authors to share knowledge, which brings me to the subject of today's blog. Earlier today, James Guiney started a really interesting post detailing his story so far. We felt it deserved a wider audience so, with James's permission - here it is in full. authonomy.
I want to share this with you all as it gives some insight to the business that might be of some help. I am no more qualified than anyone else to offer advice, but I have done it anyway because my experiences so far might help some of you along that same road. So I completed my novel A MAN IN GREY SHOES in 2007, or so I thought, and began sending it out to Literary Agents. Thankfully I was quite reserved in this, and only sent it to 10 or so. Once the rejections came back I knew that the tiny niggle way back in my mind couldn’t be ignored – my novel wasn’t polished enough. I couldn’t say hand on heart that it was 100% as good as I could make it and it was “truly” finished. It was close mind, but not all the way there.
Advice – Don’t send your work out to publishers or agents unless you can say with 100% confidence that your work is the best you can make it. Remember once they say no, that’s another one you have alienated and it’s very difficult to get them to agree to reread it in the future.
So after polishing and finishing in early 2008, I was now confident I had a finished novel, ready to be published. Sent it out to more Literary Agents and a few publishers that accept unsolicited manuscripts and after a few rejections, got a voice mail one evening from a literary agent who had just that minute finished reading 7 chapters and loved it! Hurray!
Advice – remember at this point you have full confidence in your MS, so there’s nothing to lose. Send it out to agents, and also publishers who accept unsolicited manuscripts. Literary Agents can be a decent bunch, as can publishers – if you can get talking to them, and once they agree to read some of your work – chance your arm and say “so how about I send you five chapters?” – what have you got to lose? Always try and get them to read more of your work than the standard 3 chapters.
So now I have an agent interested in representation. I send him the full manuscript and enter the biggest frustration of this whole business – the waiting game. Eventually he finishes it, we meet and agree representation. Contracts etc signed formally in further meetings.
Now for the really exciting bit – sending it out to publishers! Hurray!
September 2008 sample chapters go out to 6 publishers and here we go again……the waiting game.
Also in September 2008 by pure chance, I take a notion I could get some funding from the NI Arts Council. My work is good, I have confidence in it…why not? They only accept applications twice per year from individual artists and as luck would have it, the deadline for this round of applications is next week! So hastily, I knock together a synopsis for a proposed second novel, and send it off with my application and a copy of my completed (still unpublished) first novel.
Arts Council eventually come back in November 2008 with good news of funding to help write a second novel! Hurray! Now I have some new writing to concentrate on whilst searching for a publisher for novel one.
Advice – there are plenty of sources of funding out there, always explore these avenues. As long as you have some evidence to show them that you can write well, you have as good a chance as everyone else.
Joined authonomy in Sept 2008, uploaded my work and got some great feedback. Managed to reach Rank 25 in the charts before finally getting really fed up with the site, taking up WAY too much of my time and not getting any new writing done.
Interestingly having only been on authonomy for 2 months (Sep/Oct 2008) another writer (who shall remain nameless) read my work and was so impressed, they passed on my details to a publisher they know. What happened next? My work ended up with another publisher, totally unexpectedly. More of the waiting game and eventually the publisher came back asking to see the full manuscript. FEB 2009 – they read the whole thing and said no, but gave me some great feedback and positives to take away from the experience. Usually publishers like to just say NO, so very interesting and encouraging that they offered some feedback and advice too.
Advice – you never know who has a contact or friend who is an editor, so remember you are a writer and always watch out for opportunities. There are people on authonomy who have been published before, have great contacts or have an agent – you never know what can happen if one of them likes your work!
So here we are, April 2009. Have had 3 other rejections from publishers. Out of the 4 rejections, one read the full MS then said no - 3 of the 4 didn’t just say no, but offered feedback that I was a very talented writer but [insert random excuse here] which both I and my agent feel is encouraging. We just need the right editor to read my work and fall in love with it – so will keep trying. Have sent out to another 6 publishers.
I am about halfway into writing a second novel and exploring other writing projects.
I am booked onto the Faber and Faber Writing Academy next week in Dublin, hoping this will help my writing and my literary CV.
Advice – don’t rule out writing courses, if you get a good one it can only help you as a writer.
So far, things appear to be going good, but the waiting, oh don’t talk to me about the bloody waiting!!! Is so frustrating!!
I’m still on the road to getting published, I may never make it, very few do, but at least I can say I gave it one hell of a try.
Regards,
James.
Wednesday, 8 April 2009
My Road to Getting Published: James Guiney
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James, this is great stuff. And thank you to the people at Authonomy for moving it over here where it deserves to be. It goes to show the good people over there really DO look at what the good people over here have to say.
James, this is great. My thoughts and best wishes are with you all the way.
I appreciate reading this. Thanks
James - thanks for sharing your story and advice. It's great to hear from someone who's ALMOST there. Best of look to you.
Thanks, I enjoyed reading this.
J. S. Colley
James, your advice is right on target. Thanks, Authonomy, for highlighting advice worth its weight in gold.
Well done James - this is an example of how perseverance pays in the end. Good luck for finding that editor.
Good luck, James; and I look forward to reading about your Faber experiences!
Just a question. Were any of the random excuses along the lines of "We just don't know how to market this"?
I too have been down the road of Try Prematurely; Pull Back and Polish, Polish, Polish; Get An Agent (and a good one, at that); and Get Very Nice Rejections. Main sticking point? Yep, Don't Know How to Market It.
Just wondered if you had run into that yourself.
Best,
Alan
Hi James, Thank you for taking the time to share the details of your waiting game, the realism and honesty of your experience probably goes to prove that Edison was right, he of lightblubs - Genuis is 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration...talent is as important as a little bit of good luck and sheer gutsy tenacity it seems...best of luck James, would love to read your book, is it still on Authonomy - Andrew W.
Hi James,
I'm in a similar situation to you. I have an agent and he has my first trilogy but so far no nibbles. In frustration I got in touch with another agent who previously didn't want my books but gave me good advice at one time. He said it can take an enormously long time. For agents, he said it's more about strategy than anything else. He had at the time just heard from a publisher he had sent a book to two years before. He advised not to change horses (there's a horse race in my first book). I have taken his advice but that hasn't stopped me trying to plug trilogy number 2 on Authonomy. The more I get to grips with what people want the more I can improve my books - I think.
I wish you the best of luck and will root for you!
Best Wishes,
Fred
Yes my book is still on authonomy:
http://www.authonomy.com/ViewBook.aspx?bookid=4371
I really believe it is a case of finding the right editor - just because one editor doesn't think it suits the market, isn't the be all and end all.
Frustrating yes, but I'll keep writing and keep trying. This book is going to sell a million copies!!
Thanks for the support, JamesG
Thank you for briefing on the outlook of publishing, James. I wish fresh ideas and great writing obtain their deserving attention.
James, great to read of your experiences, it sure gives encouragement to continue the effort of getting work published. At times it almost seems as if the 'writing' is easier. Good luck with your own writing and do let us know how useful you found the Faber workshop
The Faber workshop was excellent. I feel like I have cranked into a new gear and will deeply mature as a writer because of it. If you can get a good workshop, it's worth its weight in gold.
Regards,
James
I also recommend anyone to read Gerard Donovan's work, it is fantastic stuff.
James, thanks for feedback on the Faber workshop and have noted your recommendation re Gerard Donovan's work. Do keep us posted re your progress on route to publication. Regards
Hey James, terrific post. The waiting game. Many industries - software for example - go through a transformation from endless waiting to a removal of gatekeepers (or rather transformation of gatekeepers into promoters...result, instead of talent chasing them, they chase talent as it gets above market radar) and high-speed.
I believe the publishing industry is going through this, as did the recording industry recently. No self-respecting band today - including the good ones - would sit around waiting for a record company to produce them. They do it themselves, and get out there, building their following. The ones who spark a niche and start to grow get noticed. This can be done because they no longer have to spend massive capital on distribution and printing vinyl or cd's.
With the advent of print on demand and the fact that kids really don't mind reading on screen (say what you will 40+ generation but screen reading - particularly on non-refresh screens like the Kindle - don't hurt the eyes and let you carry thousands of books with you for a fraction of the price, leaving you only to have to buy dead tree for show at home), authors can do the same thing these bands are doing.
Publishers will still be important. But they will, imo, become pure-play quality control, design, and promotion groups. We just won't need them for their printing capability anymore.
With that massive up-front capital requirement gone, smart publishers will discover with IBM discovered with www.ibm.com/alphaworks. You can afford to sign and release a lot more early-stage authors under an "alpha" brand without the risk that your 50k unit run is not going to sell. Imagine: "Harper Collins' Emerging Author Label...they aren't on our A-list yet, but someone here liked them, and if enough of you readers buy their book, we'll take that as a sign to really get behind them."
Hi James,
Well done and thanks for being so honest. I wish you the very best of luck. You obviously have talent so hang in there and stay positive. The best piece of writing advice I ever heard is "the harder I work the luckier I get". Deirdre
James,
Best of luck to you. I know something of what you are going through though I have not even got to the agent stage. It's not for lack of trying. I have stacks of rejections from agents and editors. And I appreciate what you said about making sure you are sending out your best effort. I've written five novels, genre fiction, the last two mysteries were my best and I'm working on the next one. The first two I sent out were not my best effort but I was such a green writer at the time that I just didn't realize my first efforts should never have seen the light of day.
Live and learn. I just keep writing.
Happy Writing to you,
Marjorie
I have just finished my MFA that included turning in my novel to receive my degree. Although I have gotten feedback from several people, it has all been very different advise. I have several characters speaking in my story along with my protagonist and I also use the omnicient voice. I don't want to change that, but I would if a publisher said it would get me published. Also, I sometimes use past tense and sometimes present.
How does one decide how to do their final revisions. I really don't know what to do next!
Thanks...for the memories....
After I put more than 5 years into researching and writing the first six drafts of my first novel, The Red Gate, I began sending out submissions to literary agents. My agent list came from mentions of agents handling similar subject work, in the press, and the AAR (Association of Artist's Representatives)website. Their code of ethics protected submitting writers from being charged for reading the manuscript, etc., and a whole assortment of prevailing scams, running at the time.
I eventually collected what must be a full ream of responses. Quite a few, tailored on the "let 'im down slowly" model, were actually complementary of the writing. Some even added that they thought it seemed "a strong project"... but no bites.
I did manage to get some valid, helpful notes from two of them, which I am still grateful for, and some encouragement not to give up. It's now quite a few years later, and I've learned a lot about the business end of creating books, publishing and the agony of change induced from the outside of any industry. The music industry is a prime example of what can happen if publishers refuse to update their thinking when an economic downturn favors newer technology and marketing models.
I finally also self-published, using the most advanced POD technology, and the result is at least beautiful to look at! The selling part is getting thornier than the submitting part ever was, plus, it digs into your pocket!
All of us out here, still trying to find a publishing home, really appreciate your taking a moment to write down some tips, and illustrate the old saw: "You never know..." Writers need to hear it over and over and over again!
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